The Not Terrible podcast is two friends who have been through the wringer, learned some tough lessons, and kept going. Jess and Mary share stories, advice, lessons, and hope each week as they try to find humor in the hard, learn from their mistakes, and create a better life for themselves and those they love.

The Not Terrible podcast is a field guide for the hopeless optimist in all of us.

Social media links: Twitter & Instagram


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Jess Hooker, co-host
Jess is a thirty-something, part-time vegan, and mother of two. She has spent the last fifteen years dabbling in everything from yoga teacher to welding artist to comedy tour producer. Jess has been podcasting since 2012. Her latest daydream is to own and operate a beach side paddle board stand and ride her motorcycle across the country.

Connect with Jess on Instagram or Twitter

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Mary Graham, co-host
Mary lives outside Indianapolis, Indiana, on a few acres in the house her dad grew up in. She lives there with her husband, two kids, and rescue dog, Blue. Officially, she's a high school English teacher, but she really wants to be an author when she grows up. Mary is taller than she looks on the internet, an introverted Enneagram 8, and loves to travel by plane, train, or camper.

Connect with Mary on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or her blog.